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Can Odium change written word on Roshar like Ruin could on Scadrial?
Brandon Sanderson
*apprehensive* This is not really a thing that Odium does. Um, yea.
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Can Odium change written word on Roshar like Ruin could on Scadrial?
*apprehensive* This is not really a thing that Odium does. Um, yea.
Has Braize always been 9-centric or did it become so because of Odium?
RAFO.
When Odium says, "We Killed You," who is he referring to?
*Hands RAFO card*
If I remember correctly, Allomancy is from Preservation, Hemalurgy is from Ruin and Feruchemy is from both Preservation and Ruin.
This is correct. It isn't caused by a shard, but the interaction of two opposing shards
Would something like that happen between honor and odium?
I just read WoK the other day, I have yet to start in on WoR. That said, my speculation is possibly, but I don't think so. It sounds kind of like Odium isn't from Roshar. Maybe I'm wrong there, but I got that impression. That would mean his form of investiture is somewhere else.
Also, I think that the reason Preservation and Ruin have Feruchemy is also that they worked together to create. There has to be some reason that they interacted while others didn't, and I would guess it is probably their working together
Edit: We could summon [Brandon] but I am almost positive this would get RAFO'd
...RAFO.
Is Odium is still influencing Vyre after all the Taravangian stuff?
That's a RAFO. Odium will have interesting, different relationships with a lot of different, interesting people in the next book.
Stormfather once said that "Three of sixteen ruled but now the Broken One reigns" and that "Odium reigns", is not crazy to think that Odium is the Broken One. My question is, could be possible to fuse Odium's shard (without Rayse) with the remanents of Honor (his Cognitive Shadow) in order to create a new whole Shard? Could Dalinar do something like that? He would be uniting them (two Shards, one of them supposed to be the Broken One and the other that we actually now is a bit broken).
[That] is possible
Is Odium mad about Sazed having two Shards?
Yes, and scared.
Some dictionaries list two meanings for the word "odium": the feeling of strong hatred, and that which provokes hatred from others. Do both of these apply to the Shard with that name?
Yes.
Was Odium's original purpose to neutralize the threat of Adonalsium?
No. Good question.
He asked for "Something juicy about Odium that no one knows about yet."
Odium and Hoid were once friends.
Will we get a further definition on what Rayse meant when he said “WE KILLED YOU” as Dalinar merged the realms at the end of book 3?
I don't know for sure if I will give more on that or not. So for now, it's a RAFO.
Is there anything Hoid was scared of? And if so, is it still around, and regardless, was it a person...
There are many things that Hoid is scared of. He is really scared of Odium, but there are others.
Is Odium planning to move against Harmony?
He is making plans.
So Ruin and Preservation combine. When Odium slays the Shardbearers [Vessels], why doesn’t he absorb the enemy Shards?
Because that would actually change the way he views the world. The Shard would actually start to influence him, and could actually ruin who he views himself as being. So instead of combining them all, his goal is to destroy them all and be the only one left at his power level.
So by his nature, he can't combine?
I mean he could, but it would change his nature. So he won't.
At the end of Oathbringer there is an agreement between Odium and Taravangian.
"If you help me, I will save your family. Anyone within two generations of you."
Taravangian says "Not enough."
"Then we have no deal"
And so then they go on and they make the deal that says "The city itself, and any humans who have been born into it, along with their spouses."
Was the grandchildren included in that? -- or was it meant to be ambiguous?
Depends on where they were born.
And then, Grandchildren. There are three listed of Taravangian's: Gvori, Karavangia, and Ruli. There is also the one that Shallan drew the picture of which I think is a different one. Is that right?
*nods head in agreement*
So far we have four granddaughters. Karavangia is obviously named after her grandfather, Right?
*nods head in agreement*
Does he have more grandchildren named after him?
*shakes head no*
Why are you asking?
I was wondering if Tarah was somehow related to Taravangian.
Good question, no.
Is Odium's method of smothering shards inspired at all by the way Adonalsium was originally shattered? Or of his own devising?
It is not obvious to other Shards. But there are relationships.
Is there anything I should look at as a hint for something we haven’t figured out yet?
Oh, that's a good question too. There are moments through the entire original trilogy that people haven't figured out yet. But they've picked out most of what they are, they just don't know why. Like they know something weird is happening, they don't know-- They haven't guessed why the weirdness is happening. The weirdness is figure-out-able, but it would be hard. But it's not outside of reason for you to figure out why these certain moments-- these moments people have not yet figured out.
Because Odium had influence on Scadrial.
Yes. Not a ton, but yes.
...Kelsier had an irrational hatred for Nobles.
He did, he did indeed.
Did Sazed get memories as fast as Taravangian when he Ascended?
Yes he did… but getting memories and getting these things and knowing what to do with them and stuff are different things. But yeah, I would say the experience was somewhat similar.
For spoiler reasons... is the Thrill at all attached to Odium?
Book three will give more explanation to this. But attached, you could say, that is related.
So, the end of Bands of Mourning. When Harmony is showing Wax, kind of, what's going on outside the world. Is that Odium?
That's a RAFO. Here's your card.
So, we have Shard names; Ruin, Preservation, Harmony, Cultivation, Honor, Ambition, Autonomy, Devotion, Dominion. Those are pretty much regular English words. And then we have Odium. That's a little more Latinate. It's not-- It doesn't fit the pattern.
So I don't really look as something as Latinate or Germanic, when I'm picking the names usually.
But this one is more. Even in Devotion or Dominion, they're still more regular English. Why?
I just look for the thing that feels right. Remember, all these words are in translation. When you read the book, they were a word in the original language of the book, that then we have translated to English. And so, don't look to much about what's Greek, what's Latin, what's Germanic. I will mix those a lot. And that's just because I'm looking for the word that has right resonance in English, that I'm writing in. You might even find Latin and Greek mixes in some of my stuff. And that's not done to be like, "Oh, you should be paying [attention]." Usually, I'm just looking for a flavor.
So it's the flavor-- Because I actually did have it - they're all translations, why not Hatred [instead of Odium?]
Because Odium is cooler. It just sounds cooler. There is no answer other than "I like the word better."
Is there any connection with the thought that it's not Hatred? Because in Oathbringer, he says he's Passion?
He would claim that he's Passion and not Odium. But that is part of why I chose it. Hatred felt too on-the-nose, because there is quite arguably that step toward just being all Passion, and that's what he claims that he is.
His own perception of himself, can perception, in the cosmere, can that influence?
Yes, it can influence.
So the Shard's Intent can--
Can be influenced by their perception and the holder's, yes.
Did Honor and Cultivation interact with Odium when he first came in a neutral way or was it immediately an all out conflict?
RAFO.
Can Odium sense where Honorblades are?
Let's RAFO that one, too.
Are things that are written by scholars on Roshar suspect? In Mistborn, Ruin could change anything that was written down, so can Odium do the same? Are written words on Roshar: untrustworthy, trustworthy because that ability was somehow limited to Ruin, or trustworthy because Odium COULD do it but just won't because it's not his style/he doesn't consider it?
Odium didn't have a hand in creating Roshar, and his essence doesn't permeate it in the same way as Ruin permeated Scadrial. This gave Ruin a great deal more power over things like this--except when he ran into metals, of course.
Another difference is that Odium has a fully-living, fully-aware, and very powerful Shard opposing him. (Contrasted to one that was half-dead and going mad.)
So yes, you can trust much of what was written. Odium can be subtle when he needs to be, but his primary avenue of attack has been along a different line than the one Ruin used.
Could Sazed take down Rayse since he has two shards?
Rayse is VERY scared of Sazed. However, given Sazed is a composite of two diametrically opposed shards, he finds it very difficult to act.
...The reason Odium dealt with the Selish Shards in the way that he did, whether that was primarily because he was inexperienced in Splintering and so he knew that he wanted nobody to take the Shards--
There were better ways he could have done what he did.
And he then learned at least a little bit better?
He learned at least a little bit better.
Is the story of the girl who looked up a story that is only known to Roshar? I know it could have spread out, especially since we see paintings alluding to it in the cosmere seen by a non-Rosharan but could it be a story they talked about on... say... Yolen?
Also, was the "god" from "God's love" mentioned by Hoid a piece that either should have or did belong to/with Passion/Odium? Cause that would make all the sense in the world to me that somehow Odium was Passion but because Odium once he lost love from his being... I know it doesn't make a lot sense in the timeline. I just can't get the thought out of my head.
Thank you for the time you spend answering my inanity or was it insanity. Either/or.
These are actually both RAFOs, I'm afraid. I do appreciate you asking, but I'm going to remain silent for now.
Were the Plains originally shattered by a Dawnsinger? Are Dawnshard magical musical instruments? Are the Parshendi of Odium? Are the gods that the Parshendi abandoned Odium? Are the people above in Sixth of the Dusk Scadrians?
That's a whole pile of RAFOs. But I can answer one; the gods that the Parshendi abandoned are of Odium.
If Cultivation and Honor were romantically involved, why did Cultivation not help Honor against Odium?
She did.
You've mentioned before that Odium is scared of Harmony. Is it only because of the raw power of the two Shards? Or is he scared of what Harmony represents? (Meaning the possibility of merging two Shards.) Was he aware that this was possible?
He, on one level, was aware. But it was more of awareness of this as a possibility. It actually happening is part of what has him scared. It's the idea of the two merging Shards both being more powerful and finding a harmony. (Which Sazed is actually having way more trouble doing than Odium realizes.) Those two things really have Odium scared. Because, partially, this means he has to find a way to destroy or split Harmony without taking up a second Shard himself, because Odium knows if he takes up a second Shard, terrible things will happen. And so he doesn't want to do that. (Terrible things as he views them.) And so he's gotta find a way to split this apart, or somehow otherwise defeat.
Now, the more he learns about Sazed's actual state, the less afraid he'll probably be. But that's an advantage that Sazed has right now.
Is Odium influencing Kaladin in a similar way as Ruin was influencing Vin?
No.
Did Odium have something to do with Adolin killing Sadeas, 'cause in Thaylenah he said that he had been preparing Sadeas' troops for a long time.
RAFO
Does Odium know about Glys?
Who? Oh, Glys. *sighs* Yes, he does. But.
Two characters who I believe Brandon absolutely butchered in terms of what their setup was and what happened to them.
[...]
Amaram. Suddenly, completely out of left field, Amaram has been talking to Odium, betrayed all he worked and believed in, sides with Odium... And becomes inhuman monster nobody will lose any sleep over getting rid of. Seriously, what the hell?
Rayse. Similar complaint of setting someone up for one thing then just conveniently cutting out: Rayse. He's been set up, multiple times, in multiple books, by multiple characters, as the Big Bad (or at least close to it).
[...]
And after all that build up of Rayse and what he turned out to be... How am I supposed to believe Taravangian, the newest of the Vessels, is going to be any threat at all?
While I kind of agree on Amaram, I don't on Rayse--but it's useful for me to read this sort of thing.
The goal with Amaram was to finally let him be the monster on the outside he was on the inside--and so the sequence felt thematically right to me in outlining and writing. Since the publication, though, I've walked back this opinion somewhat. While the sequence works as intended, it's not quite right, and if I were doing the book over I'd try something different.
RAFOed I'm sure, but you said you are planing 2 arcs of 5 books each in Stormlight Archive. Having read all of your published works (and some unpublished:)) I know your storytelling pace is astronomicaly quick. I'm positive you will end current desolation story in the first 5 books, since as I understod, other 5 books will be set in near future in SA universe. So I guess my question is; can you drop any hint will Odium survive to see 6th SA book:)?
Oh, Odium will survive. Now, whether the one HOLDING that power will survive...that's a different question. :) (Not quite a RAFO.)
Odium locked the Selish Shards in the Cognitive Realm to keep them from achieving sentience or someone Ascending.
Are Odium and Cultivation aware of Thaidakar?
Cultivation, yes. Odium… at one point. Depends on… Is Taravangian aware? That part’s a RAFO.
Does Odium actually present a real threat to Harmony, because he-- *interrupted*
So Harmony is vastly more powerful than Odium.
Yeah.
Elend was vastly more powerful than Vin. Who would win in a fight?
Vin.
Okay, there's your answer.
Given that we now know that Odium can 'make it possible' for people to use magic that draws on him on other planets, has he done this anywhere besides Roshar?
Odium has been active on all other planets, including several we haven't seen yet.
Did Odium Splinter all the Shards for the same reason?
No. Some Shards he Splintered because he feared the Shard itself, and some Shards he targeted because he feared the Vessel. He was working his way down his list in order of the Shards and Vessels he felt would be most dangerous to his plans until he got stuck on Roshar.
Did Bavadin in any way help Odium splinter Dominion and Devotion?
Uhh...
(sensing an incoming RAFO): In any way...
Uhh... Yes... Yes, you could say that...
Out of all the Shards, why does Odium go for Devotion and Dominion?
He targets people with two kinds of ideas. Number one, he can argue they're breaking the rules they set out. And two, people he thinks are a good match for him, or a challenge, or a danger.
Can you write in one of my books about something we don't know about the Shards, or at least one of the Shards?
*written* Odium has killed at least one more Shard than the ones we know about.
So, there's a whole lot of things that happen in a very short period of time when Dalinar brings the worlds together. "We killed you" from Odium. Who is "we" and who is "you"?
RAFO.
Given that Shards, and perhaps, Ascended beings, have intents similar to their names...
More that they have names similar to their intents.
So, would Unity be a natural enemy of Autonomy?
Um... Possibly. You say "natural," and so I--
Well, would one eliminate the other one? But more towards Autonomy trying to break up--
To break up Unity. It's so hard to say, because Autonomy is a bit of a strange duck. Like, what counts as being Autonomous? Is absorbing everything and becoming one again Autonomous or not? That's kind of your question that you get into. And the way Autonomy looks at it right now, is no. Autonomy wants to remain Autonomy. Autonomy does not want to be corrupted by anything else. And Autonomy would think the Shards are better on their own. But is this a natural effect, or part of the-- Does that make sense?
Well, but it's also along the lines of, Odium wants to break up the other ones, so they don't--
Odium just wants to be top dog. And your two ways to be top dog are to climb higher, or to lower everyone else. And he's like, we're gonna lower everyone else. Because I know, if I combine, it stops being me, is what his opinion is. I would no longer be the person I am. I would change into someone else. And then that person gets to rule, and I don't want that person to rule. I want to.
Did Odium intentionally cause direct harm to the inhabitants of Sel or was his sole focus taking down Devotion and Dominion? (Context: I'd like to know if Odium cares/has any interest in mortals or if he only has designs/plans for Shards)
It was all side effect. He is focused on Shards... But he does have secondary interest in mortals.
[Something about spren]
There is a component to that going on, but I will say that denying Odium is an important part of that in the books through his various different manifestations.
Why Odium is stronger and worst evil than Ruin?
One reason is that Ruin had a person in control of it who, for many years, fought against the impulse to destroy--and in the end, channeled it toward entropy and decay, necessary elements of the universe. Odium represents something else entirely.
Are the Parshendi of Odium?
Not originally.
The Letter implies Odium is allied or at least cross purposes with Bavadin. Is Odium actively allied to any *other* cosmere Power(s)?
YES.