Did the Reod affect the Ire?
Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)
It did in some way.
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Did the Reod affect the Ire?
It did in some way.
So in Mistborn: Secret History, the leader of the Ire is named Alonoe. This is also the name of the lake in Arelon. Is she named after the lake? Is the lake named after her? Or--
Why did the Elantrians came to Roshar in the first place? Because the question came up after I reread Elantris, so...
Are you talking about... specifically... the old ones? Yeah, why were they on Roshar? So, those specific individuals - the Ire, as we call them - are a group of Elantrians that are not representing all Elantrians. They were there. The one you've met is there for a specific reason. The Ire are involved there. They're mostly... where you've seen them, is on Scadrial so far, but they're interested in Roshar. You are talking about the lighthouse keeper, I assume? So, the lighthouse keeper, wouldn't... would be counted, I guess, as one of the Ire and is there for a specific purpose, but it is not related to their general purpose, that they're trying to achieve.
How's that for being vague? I'm sorry.
As of Secret History, are the Ire aware of Feruchemical chromium?
As of Secret History, are the Ire aware of chromium. Not as fully aware-- They don't know everything.
…The Spiritual Feruchemical metals, where we obviously have Invesiture, Identity, Connection and Fortune. Are all four of those cosmere-wide things?
So a lot of things-- The short answer is yes. The long answer is, there are certain things such as Investiture or whatnot, that when we write the books we translate different words as the same word because they're the same meaning, right? So what you're getting it is when they use the word "fortune", do they mean exactly what the Feruchemical-- and the answer is no. But it is a very similar concept.
When you say Ire, what do you mean?
I mean the word for "ancient" in Aonic.
Okay, because we've only ever heard it referred to in the one little thing in Secret History so hearing you refer to the lighthouse as the Ire was...
I don't know if he actually be-- Yeah.
My question's about Secret History, specifically it's kind of a two-parter. The first part's easier to answer. Is it relevant that the glowing substance that Hoid puts on his oar is very similarly described as the same stuff that the Ire drink, the glowing--
Yeah, that is relevant.
And does it have to do with Connection.
Ah… *sighs* Yes, but not the way you're thinking. That's a "I'm wiggling out of..." Yes, it has to do with Connection, but so does a dog. Cause a dog is Connected to things. *laughs in the audience* You said "does it have to do with"! The answer is yes.
Question about Elantris real quick. In your [Arcanum] Unbound[ed], they show up. Is this post or pre Elantris. Because they're so well organized in that one.
So, that is post Elantris. But, the Ire weathered the [Reod].
Oh they come back. And they remember everything.
They were not on Sel when the [Reod] happened.
So... that's "[Aon] Ire"...
Yes, it is.
...and that's the symbol for Ire in Secret History.
I was wondering if-- Is this just an in-world depiction of an out-world symbol, or does this actually have some kind of metalurgic value?
<I may> refer to Sir Isaac.
Alright, thank you very much.
So the question is...
So this is the symbol for "[Aon] Ire".
And this is the symbol in Secret History for the part called "Ire". And what I'm wondering is... Is this just an in-world representation of an off-world symbol, or is there some kind of metalurgic... in-world meaning to the symbol outside of it. They're just too close to be coincidence.
There is a... Obviously there's a relation between the two. I would say that, as far as we know, there is no <metalurgic> connection.
So as far as we know there is no metalurgic connection, but that could change in a future book. Potentially. Or not. That's all you got for me?
Um... I'm trying to figure out what I should say <about it>. And I think... The first thing is obviously they aren't on the planet that they ought to be on.
Obviously. I mean, not even in the Realm that they ought to be in.
Right. And so... It's more symbolic of "this is not in the Realm that it ought to be, but it's taking on attributes of the Realm that it's in."
So the Realm that it's in is Shadesmar. But it's more near the Scadrial...
It's the Scadrial edge of Shadesmar.
And so it's taking on attributes of that area that it's not supposed to be in but it is in.
There may or may not be intersignificance *inaudible*.
I will pay attention to that.
Pay attention. We may-- we may do something with that. It may just be a fun little thing.
A fun little thing just there, right. So for now it's at least an interesting in-world representation of an off-world thing, but it might at some day be *inaudible*. Cool!
Do the Ire age because they're not on Sel?
(uncertain) Uh, they do...? They... they age, but it's not the sort of aging that you and I do.
Ire and their fortress on Scadrial.
Is it still there?
Yes, it should be, yes.
Sazed is aware of it?
Okay, do they have on other planets?
They have outposts but you will rarely find something as highly well constructed as that.
The device the Ire were planning on using in Secret History. Were they testing it for something?
They actively wanted it to work there.
Like, say, something involving Sel and the Spiritual Realm?
There are different applications that they had considered, but I wouldn't call what they were doing a test, right then. They wanted to use it for what it was used for, yes.
How about the Elantris timeline then. Since the Secret History…
I will-- When I write the Elantris sequels you will get a much stronger timeline for those, but let’s just say that the Ire have been around for a long time.
In Mistborn: Secret History... The Ire--are they Elantrians?
And how-- what is their history with Ruin and the other [Vessels]?
So, these are some very old people, who are cosmere-aware.
Are they... that wasn't mine... Do they predate the Elantrian story?
I haven't answered that, and people have asked it. So I'll RAFO that.
But let's just say they're very old, and the Shardpool in Elantris, if you go back and read about the lore surrounding it in the book Elantris, you will see that they were aware of what was happening with it before the fall of Elantris.
Did they-- were they affected by the cataclysm?
That is a RAFO!
The ball of Preservation energy that Kelsier used, is that Stamping, Hemalurgy, or a third kind of the same thing?
That is a different thing. You haven't really seen that before.
Because it seems to have similar effects--
Yeah, you haven't seen that before. It was designed to do what it did.
Is it just Connection?
Connection juice. *laughter*
We'll get into this, this is involving Silverlight stuff, so let's RAFO it for now.
Is it possible to bring Adonalsium together again and was it the reason the Ire was on Scadrial?
This is a RAFO. There are people who believe it's possible and others who believe it's impossible. It’s one of the big questions of the series.
What caused the Sel earthquake? Could it be the fall of a Shard? Ambition? Will we see the Ire again?
RAFO on all!
With the-- You're talking about the breaking of Elantris? Who says it was after?
Well I assumed it was before...
...Who says it was before or after? The real answer to that is some are from before, some are from after. That's the actual answer. I was being cheeky but you caught me because I misread the question. They are not all the same age.
The age of the Ire is really, really, really old, is that the age of the organization, or the age of those members.
Of those members, they, yes, are really, really, really old.
So each person in the IRE is really old, not just that the IRE...
If a Hoed goes to the shardpool in the mountains, what happens to them in the Cognitive Realm?
What do you think happens to them?
I want to say that the IRE, but I know they’re not because they’re really, really, really, really old.
I have a theory that that’s how you get seons.
Here’s the thing, here’s the thing, what have I said about the Cognitive Realm on Sel?
That it’s really, really dangerous.
Yes. Any guesses why?
Because the Shards are Splintered so all the power of the Dor is kind of sloshing around and it’s basically like a highstorm there.
So, what would happen if someone went into there through the shardpool?
It’s probably not as good as they think it is?
Would they get splintered like that?
No they’d just...
Would they get ripped apart?
Yeah. That’s why it’s really dangerous.
So the Elantrians are just dying when they go in...
So when the Hoed or the Elantrians go in...
For the...let’s just say they’re cast into a very dangerous environment without any preparation for it.
So how’d the Ire get there?
They have gone before or they may have been properly prepared.
There’s some theories, that are theories that could totally be the case. Or you could theorize others as well.
So like as far as distance traveled in Shadesmar. So when Kelsier is in Shadesmar, he meets the Ire, who are presumably Elantrians. How far did he travel? Is that still within Scadrial's realm of the Cognitive Realm?
Yeah, that's within-- By the time he meets them he has slipped right to the edge of the Cognitive Realm on Scadrial and into, kind of, the darkness between planets.
He's close enough that he can get there. But he's kind of suffused with Scadrian Investiture then, to a point that it would be harder--you saw in there--for him to get further. I would say that he's like... He has entered space between planets, but he's not out of the solar system.
Okay, so he's still in the Scadrian system, just not--just edging a bit there.
Yeah, yep. That's what I'd say if I had to actually point him in that <a map>. It gets really fuzzy though, because it wouldn't be too much longer before he enters another solar system. Like, he would pass lightyears in steps as he starts getting further, if that makes any sense.
That makes sense, because, I mean, with worldhopping in general it's like... You can only... I mean it's... I don't know how the time dilation works per se, but...
It's not-- there's not much time dilation. What you've got going on is... Things that people aren't around to think about, things without minds or any sort of life, don't manifest on Shadesmar very much at all. And so the space between planets gets really small, unless there's another planet out there with thinking beings or at least some sort of life on it. Like even lower lifeforms, you'll get something manifesting on Shadesmar. But yeah
Okay. So the Cognitive Realm, in Shadesmar... It's kind of the... Any kind of sentient or cognitive life-- that's what is building Shadesmar? So like anything where there's blackness... is like... condensed or--
Yes, yes. Particularly if no one's thinking about it. If people are thinking about it - like, for instance, an island in the ocean that was scoured of all life and even bacteria would still manifest in Shadesmar on that planet because people are aware of it and things like this. But one on the other side of the planet, that no one ever knew about it, probably wouldn't.
So that same island, if people just stopped thinking about it or like stopped being aware of its presence, would it...
It could slowly vanish, yes. And so-- But that's more of a thought experiment. You're never gonna have a planet that that happens to, you know cause-- but thought experiment wise, yes, that would eventually kind of get consumed by Shadesmar and vanish. The same thing would happen to a planet that you strip the atmosphere from--all the bacteria and life dies on it--you know, slowly going to vanish. But a moon will still manifest because people are thinking about it. It'll just not-- it won't-- it'll be hokey, it'll be weird--the moon will be. Like you might find a little patch that represents the moon. Something like that.
You're not gonna find the full landscape of the moon until people start visiting it. And it's gonna grow on Shadesmar.
Does Hoid go to the same place the Elantrians are going?
So I've got a question about the Selians in Secret History.
It seems... It seems pretty clear that they're Selians. Or people from...
...the planet Sel. Is that the right term? Selian? I don't know...
Um... *sigh* I get this one mixed up. Peter knows. I know I've called them Selish before, but I think we went with Selian because it sounded too much like "selfish". But we did canonize it, and it probably is in the essays, I think. But Peter knows the canon term.
Okay. What era are they from? Are they from like the... are they from the... the original...
They are old! [very drawn out "old"]
Were they part of the society that built Elantris?
So, someone asked me this coming through the line, and I RAFO'd them. But they are old.
They are old.
They are old, old people. Here's the thing. You give me the opportunity to wiggle around, because I could say, "No," if anyone has joined them since then.
Does that make sense?
Not canonizing anything right now, but that question is so wiggle-aroundable. And I took the opportunity not to wiggle around it and just tell you they are old.
They are old. Got it.
The organization is old. And some of the people that you meet there are very old.
If the Ire had managed to get Preservation, what would Ruin's reaction have been to that?
*chuckles* What would Ruin have thought about that? I don't think Ruin would have been a fan.
Would he have been able to deal with it?
Deal with it? I can see potentials where he both could and couldn't deal with it. I do not-- I don't think the Ire were one hundred percent prepared for what they were trying to do. How about that?
I read Mistborn: Secret History and you put some stuff from Elantris and I love it. In second Elantris will we see some?
Yes, we will.
The lighthouse guy was Ire? In Oathbringer?
And he was the same Elantrian that they put in the Shardpool at the end of--
Yes, he is the same person.
And was he Ire before--
He was not before then.
Are the Ire old enough to have gone through the Reod?
The Ire are very, very, very, very old.
Regarding the Ire: did they set out into the Cosmere pre- or post-Reod?